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		<title>by: Sjors</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2007/09/10/seiko-so-easy-a-cavemen-could-do-it/#comment-1266</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Brian,

Sorry for getting off topic, but can you maybe explain for me why "Cheers" translates into "Mud in your eye" and "Friendly greetings from..." often into "Greetings shut one self up"?

乾杯

Sjors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brian,</p>
<p>Sorry for getting off topic, but can you maybe explain for me why &#8220;Cheers&#8221; translates into &#8220;Mud in your eye&#8221; and &#8220;Friendly greetings from&#8230;&#8221; often into &#8220;Greetings shut one self up&#8221;?</p>
<p>乾杯</p>
<p>Sjors
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		<title>by: bryanandersen</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2007/09/10/seiko-so-easy-a-cavemen-could-do-it/#comment-1264</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Sjors,

&lt;em&gt;Mud in your eye&lt;/em&gt;, that's a good one!

Regards,

Bryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sjors,</p>
<p><em>Mud in your eye</em>, that&#8217;s a good one!</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Bryan
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		<title>by: Sjors</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2007/09/10/seiko-so-easy-a-cavemen-could-do-it/#comment-1256</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi GMT+9,

I have seen the Jenson Button commercial for several weeks now on our television and I think it's very nice one. I like the 5 O'Clock shadows, since I often have one too. I think I won't either complain when you would say I look like a caveman, ha ha.

That Bud Light commercial is very funny too, I had a good laught here.

Cheers ("Mud in your eye"),

Sjors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi GMT+9,</p>
<p>I have seen the Jenson Button commercial for several weeks now on our television and I think it&#8217;s very nice one. I like the 5 O&#8217;Clock shadows, since I often have one too. I think I won&#8217;t either complain when you would say I look like a caveman, ha ha.</p>
<p>That Bud Light commercial is very funny too, I had a good laught here.</p>
<p>Cheers (&#8221;Mud in your eye&#8221;),</p>
<p>Sjors
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		<title>by: bryanandersen</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2007/09/10/seiko-so-easy-a-cavemen-could-do-it/#comment-1237</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi martback,

You may have seen Seiko Japan has a Grand Seiko tag line that reads "Seiko Loves Ladies." The phrase "he loves the ladies" often has a negative connotation in American culture. It's often a wry put down of a man's weakness, in a &lt;em&gt;Clintonesque&lt;/em&gt; sense -- so it seems like an odd catch phrase for Seiko to use. It's the Japanese-English issue you raised.

To see the ad, &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/ladies/" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;u&gt;click here&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for your comments. I'm especially pleased you mentioned Mad Men, since nobody else had. Working that into my story was a big part of the fun for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi martback,</p>
<p>You may have seen Seiko Japan has a Grand Seiko tag line that reads &#8220;Seiko Loves Ladies.&#8221; The phrase &#8220;he loves the ladies&#8221; often has a negative connotation in American culture. It&#8217;s often a wry put down of a man&#8217;s weakness, in a <em>Clintonesque</em> sense &#8212; so it seems like an odd catch phrase for Seiko to use. It&#8217;s the Japanese-English issue you raised.</p>
<p>To see the ad, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/ladies/" rel="nofollow"><u>click here</u></a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. I&#8217;m especially pleased you mentioned Mad Men, since nobody else had. Working that into my story was a big part of the fun for me.
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		<title>by: bryanandersen</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2007/09/10/seiko-so-easy-a-cavemen-could-do-it/#comment-1236</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi casiophile,

That's an astute point about asking an open-ended question. I also liked your reference to the Bud Light commercials, because Anheuser-Busch is targeting the same demographic as Seiko (Gen Y), but the brewer's Downtown Partners DDC Ad Agency is doing so, as you point out, with creativity and humor.
&lt;div style="text-align: center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9STm4r_evvc" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;img alt="bud_light_final.png" id="image822" src="http://www.gmtplusnine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bud_light_final.png" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
Thanks for your comments!

Regards,

Bryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi casiophile,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an astute point about asking an open-ended question. I also liked your reference to the Bud Light commercials, because Anheuser-Busch is targeting the same demographic as Seiko (Gen Y), but the brewer&#8217;s Downtown Partners DDC Ad Agency is doing so, as you point out, with creativity and humor.</p>
<div style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9STm4r_evvc" rel="nofollow"><img alt="bud_light_final.png" id="image822" src="http://www.gmtplusnine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bud_light_final.png" /></a></div>
<p>Thanks for your comments!</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Bryan
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		<title>by: petew</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2007/09/10/seiko-so-easy-a-cavemen-could-do-it/#comment-1234</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Casiophile..thanks for the comments....you guys are telling me things about myself that I didn't realize.  You're right..rephrasing the question in a manner that makes me think about the product does engage me more.  Every time I've seen those Seiko "It's your watch that says the most about who you are," commercials, I cringe and I always think..."no it's not."

Mart, I think every person I've known who's returned from a trip to Japan comments about the funny English phrases that they see on T Shirts, in stores and in advertising.  It certainly must be a "Japanese" thing although I've seen it creep into US advertising lately too.  Like Honda says..."The Fit is Go"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casiophile..thanks for the comments&#8230;.you guys are telling me things about myself that I didn&#8217;t realize.  You&#8217;re right..rephrasing the question in a manner that makes me think about the product does engage me more.  Every time I&#8217;ve seen those Seiko &#8220;It&#8217;s your watch that says the most about who you are,&#8221; commercials, I cringe and I always think&#8230;&#8221;no it&#8217;s not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mart, I think every person I&#8217;ve known who&#8217;s returned from a trip to Japan comments about the funny English phrases that they see on T Shirts, in stores and in advertising.  It certainly must be a &#8220;Japanese&#8221; thing although I&#8217;ve seen it creep into US advertising lately too.  Like Honda says&#8230;&#8221;The Fit is Go&#8221;
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		<title>by: martback</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2007/09/10/seiko-so-easy-a-cavemen-could-do-it/#comment-1232</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Further research shows that the tagline for Seikos new Japan-only line of womens watches called the M-line is "Climax has come", which does bring even more credibilty to my theory of the ad-men using random English words.

Also, any post referencing the extremely stylish but slightly worrying series Mad Men on AMC gets a bonus point. 

/ mart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further research shows that the tagline for Seikos new Japan-only line of womens watches called the M-line is &#8220;Climax has come&#8221;, which does bring even more credibilty to my theory of the ad-men using random English words.</p>
<p>Also, any post referencing the extremely stylish but slightly worrying series Mad Men on AMC gets a bonus point. </p>
<p>/ mart
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		<title>by: martback</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2007/09/10/seiko-so-easy-a-cavemen-could-do-it/#comment-1231</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I noted that the Japanese tagline for the Galante Spring Drive was "Energy and Power is Sexy", which might be true but I am not sure if it would really make any rich Japanese male or female person buy the watch. It could also be the result of the the traditional Japanese "Any randomly put together English words sells things"-approach.

/ mart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noted that the Japanese tagline for the Galante Spring Drive was &#8220;Energy and Power is Sexy&#8221;, which might be true but I am not sure if it would really make any rich Japanese male or female person buy the watch. It could also be the result of the the traditional Japanese &#8220;Any randomly put together English words sells things&#8221;-approach.</p>
<p>/ mart
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		<title>by: casiophile</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2007/09/10/seiko-so-easy-a-cavemen-could-do-it/#comment-1229</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The tagline is risky at best.  Any salesman will tell you that you never ask a yes/no question; you always ask an 'alternate of choice' question.  "Is it You?" just dares me to say "Nope" and turn away.  Much better would be something like "When will you be getting YOUR Seiko?" or "Which Seiko will YOU be depending on?".

I'm not a big fan of the 'horological tradition' approach in advertising.  It's a Swiss conceit and they've used it to excellent advantage but they should be left with it.  Now if Seiko wanted to really be gutsy they could do a humorous approach on the whole 'horological tradition' thing and win big points for originality - here in the USA we love folks (and companies) who go out on the edge.  Make me laugh and I'll remember you.   

Perhaps they should hire the agency that does the Bud Lite commercials...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tagline is risky at best.  Any salesman will tell you that you never ask a yes/no question; you always ask an &#8216;alternate of choice&#8217; question.  &#8220;Is it You?&#8221; just dares me to say &#8220;Nope&#8221; and turn away.  Much better would be something like &#8220;When will you be getting YOUR Seiko?&#8221; or &#8220;Which Seiko will YOU be depending on?&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a big fan of the &#8216;horological tradition&#8217; approach in advertising.  It&#8217;s a Swiss conceit and they&#8217;ve used it to excellent advantage but they should be left with it.  Now if Seiko wanted to really be gutsy they could do a humorous approach on the whole &#8216;horological tradition&#8217; thing and win big points for originality - here in the USA we love folks (and companies) who go out on the edge.  Make me laugh and I&#8217;ll remember you.   </p>
<p>Perhaps they should hire the agency that does the Bud Lite commercials&#8230;
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		<title>by: petew</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I find it perplexing that Seiko chooses to advertise their products based on cheesy imagery.  Seiko has so much history and their contributions to horology are amazingly comprehensive.  And yet they ignore all of this and push their watches based on a stereoptypical image of what "cool" is.

What a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it perplexing that Seiko chooses to advertise their products based on cheesy imagery.  Seiko has so much history and their contributions to horology are amazingly comprehensive.  And yet they ignore all of this and push their watches based on a stereoptypical image of what &#8220;cool&#8221; is.</p>
<p>What a shame.
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		<title>by: bryanandersen</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"Metrosexual." Exactly.

That is the image Seiko's ad agency is going for, and the thing the Geico commercials satirize. It's more creative and fun to satirize inane trends then to perpetuate them. That's why Geico's commercials are innovative, and Seiko's aren't.
&lt;div style="text-align: center"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.gmtplusnine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/full_seiko_campaign_3.png" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p align="center"&gt;Image: © Seiko Corporation&lt;/p&gt;
If you look at the Seiko full-page magazine ads above, the images of the metrosexual models take up a full half of each page. Wow. They are putting 50 percent of their efforts into promoting the metrosexual image, and the other half into showcasing the actual watch.

On their website, the banner ads/buttons they use (pictured below) divide space in thirds -- one-third for the name of the watch, one-third to show the watch, and one-third to show the metrosexuals.
&lt;div style="text-align: center"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.gmtplusnine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/full_seiko_campaign.png" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p align="center"&gt;Image: © Seiko Corporation&lt;/p&gt;
I like Shawn's idea for an ad campaign. Here's another -- focus on the watches themselves. Seiko has a great product. How about featuring that? What a revolutionary idea.

Another thought is for Seiko to call on Geico's ad agency, the &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.martinagency.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Martin Agency&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt; in Richmond, Virginia. Citizen might want to consider that too.

[UDATE -- Well, it seems from online research that the Martin Agency may actually BE the ad agency that designed Seiko International's ad campaign! So, they just recycled the Geico metrosexual theme (bearded upper middle class urban male) and sold it to Seiko? Interesting! You can see how Les Perry, one of Seiko's marketing executives, was thinking about Seiko's ad strategy in 2004 by clicking &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.jckonline.com/index.asp?layout=articlePrint&#038;articleID=CA449806" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;u&gt;here&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.]

Regards,

Bryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Metrosexual.&#8221; Exactly.</p>
<p>That is the image Seiko&#8217;s ad agency is going for, and the thing the Geico commercials satirize. It&#8217;s more creative and fun to satirize inane trends then to perpetuate them. That&#8217;s why Geico&#8217;s commercials are innovative, and Seiko&#8217;s aren&#8217;t.</p>
<div style="text-align: center"><img src="http://www.gmtplusnine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/full_seiko_campaign_3.png" /></div>
<p align="center">Image: © Seiko Corporation</p>
<p>If you look at the Seiko full-page magazine ads above, the images of the metrosexual models take up a full half of each page. Wow. They are putting 50 percent of their efforts into promoting the metrosexual image, and the other half into showcasing the actual watch.</p>
<p>On their website, the banner ads/buttons they use (pictured below) divide space in thirds &#8212; one-third for the name of the watch, one-third to show the watch, and one-third to show the metrosexuals.</p>
<div style="text-align: center"><img src="http://www.gmtplusnine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/full_seiko_campaign.png" /></div>
<p align="center">Image: © Seiko Corporation</p>
<p>I like Shawn&#8217;s idea for an ad campaign. Here&#8217;s another &#8212; focus on the watches themselves. Seiko has a great product. How about featuring that? What a revolutionary idea.</p>
<p>Another thought is for Seiko to call on Geico&#8217;s ad agency, the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.martinagency.com/" rel="nofollow"><u>Martin Agency</u></a> in Richmond, Virginia. Citizen might want to consider that too.</p>
<p>[UDATE &#8212; Well, it seems from online research that the Martin Agency may actually BE the ad agency that designed Seiko International&#8217;s ad campaign! So, they just recycled the Geico metrosexual theme (bearded upper middle class urban male) and sold it to Seiko? Interesting! You can see how Les Perry, one of Seiko&#8217;s marketing executives, was thinking about Seiko&#8217;s ad strategy in 2004 by clicking <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.jckonline.com/index.asp?layout=articlePrint&#038;articleID=CA449806" rel="nofollow"><u>here</u></a>.]</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Bryan
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		<title>by: petew</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtplusnine.com/2007/09/10/seiko-so-easy-a-cavemen-could-do-it/#comment-1226</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Uhh....YEP.  I too am a bit perplexed by the direction of and images that these ads portray.  In fact, I can't help but think that fellow Seiko collector Shawn is on to something when he stated in the past that Seiko is missing the boat by not focusing on the fact that Seiko has a strong historical connection to military use.

Maybe it's because I'm not a metrosexual, but I'd much prefer that my watch brand portrayed an image of tough-ness than a bunch of pretty boys.  Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhh&#8230;.YEP.  I too am a bit perplexed by the direction of and images that these ads portray.  In fact, I can&#8217;t help but think that fellow Seiko collector Shawn is on to something when he stated in the past that Seiko is missing the boat by not focusing on the fact that Seiko has a strong historical connection to military use.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m not a metrosexual, but I&#8217;d much prefer that my watch brand portrayed an image of tough-ness than a bunch of pretty boys.  Oh well.
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